Curse

Akhilleus · Sep 14, 2006, 05:40 PM // 17:40

did anet just ruin axe warriors/IWAY?
with the reduction of tigers fury to 25% and eviscerate's damage by 10 what effect do you think this will have on the game's pvp environment. do you think we'll be seeing a lot more sword and hammer warriors now?
discuss.

Tommy · Sep 14, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

not necessary, I would say no. the way i see axe warrior is that they use the ev-combo to cripple the monk and interrupt them so the elementalist behind him can killl the monk with w/e high damage spells. Anet just made the way a warrior should be, a warrior is not meant to deal damage but to tank damage in the front line and reflect conditions such as deep wound and cripple to slow down or weaker enemy or knock down them so the damage dealer can kill them easier. They should lower the damage output more imao. Warriors still doing too much damage.Anet should rework the warriors, lower the damage by a larger number, say, -20 to 30 damage and increase their hp and armor. I seriously think that a warrior should have more hp than a caster does. STR should give HP instead of armor penality. 5 Hp per rank in STR sounds good to me. we have sin,ranger, and elementalist in party to deal damage.We have all kind of characters that can deal alot amount of damage but what we dont have in GW is a type of character that doing pure tanking. I still think that a warrior shouldn't be doing damage, this is just not logical. How can a guy with a stupid axe or hammer does more damage with someone with lightning magic or flowing fireballs.

moriz · Sep 14, 2006, 05:47 PM // 17:47

*cough* you're nuts *cough*

the axe warrior is not nerfed. the damage decrease hardly means anything.

as for IWAY being nerfed... good riddance i say.

chardy · Sep 14, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Tommy

a warrior is not meant to deal damage

that is probably one of the most stupidest things that i have heard. sure getting hit by a big sword / axe / hammer just tickles i guess :s. with iway using orders i dont think the -10 dmg is that bad but the TF "nerf" is also not very nice for thumpers

Tommy · Sep 14, 2006, 05:59 PM // 17:59

what stupid thing? warriors in most mmorph dont do the highest damage. if you play wow,ffonline and other online game, you shoudl know that the most damage are from blackmage or assins, Warriors should never do alot of damage. how can a man with sword beat someone with gun(some mmorph have gunners) or fireball? that is not possible, they would have been killed before they can evne get close to the target.Anet's action is showing us that A warrior is a tank that shouldn't be the main damage output. They alreayd have high armro and high defence, why should they have the highest damage output in game too? The Buff for Sins and debuff for warriro is CLEARLY showing us that we should reply on assin and elementalist for damage output and warrior with tanking. BTW, when did you start interesting in pvping akh

? i thought you only stick with pve

The Update just kinda *fix* the way things should be, I personally think that they bring more possible effect on the game, Sins will find their spot in a party now as the main physically damage dealer, which is a good thing imao.Hopefully, the dagger price will go up abit^.^

suiraCLAW · Sep 14, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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what stupid thing? warriors in most mmorph dont do the highest damage. if you play wow,ffonline and other online game, you shoudl know that the most damage are from blackmage or assins, Warriors should never do alot of damage.

This is Guild Wars. Rule 1: never make a comparison between guild wars and any other MMORPG (or game at all).

In PvP, warriors should deal damage.

Tommy · Sep 14, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by suiraCLAW

This is Guild Wars. Rule 1: never make a comparison between guild wars and any other MMORPG (or game at all).

In PvP, warriors should deal damage.

not necessary, and we do make comparison between GW and other MMORPH, how do you feel when you seeing a warrior healing people and a Blackmage wielding a big stick and hitting ppl? Certain class has their certain job. and i am not saying that WARRIOR DONT DEAL DAMAGE, what i am saying that they are not there to deal the HIGHEST PHYSICALL Damage,it should be assin's Job not the warriors, We will probably have 15+ professions if Anet keep making expansion every 6 months. If one class has all the advantage in one area, WHO IS GONNA PLAY THE OTHERS? For example, Warrior has the highest armor vs physicall damage and fairly high armor vs elemental damage, and they deal the HIGHEST PHYSICAL damage? i dont see how is that BALANCE, each class needs to have a role in the party. YOU DONT SEE THE CASHIER IN BURGER KING making your burger right? It is not that he/she can't do it, it is because it is her/his role doing so. I think what Anet trying to do is to specialize each class, lets say, Warrior Tanks, Elementalist deals damage, Monk heals, Ritualist supports,each party member specializes in ONLY ONE AREA, we dont have a profession that good at everything anymore.

Sparckus · Sep 14, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Warriors have the highest DPS in the game, read the 'Why Nuking Sucks' thread. There are no tanks in pvp.

:EDIT:

This is Guild Wars not WoW

Sparckus · Sep 14, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

AB is not real PvP

And yes PvP IS about ass kickin and winning.

Tommy · Sep 14, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Sparckus

Warriors have the highest DPS in the game, read the 'Why Nuking Sucks' thread. There are no tanks in pvp.

:EDIT:

This is Guild Wars not WoW

that really depend, in AB we do need a tank to cap.AB is a form of pvp right?

stueyman2099 · Sep 14, 2006, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Tommy

and i am not saying that WARRIOR DONT DEAL DAMAGE, what i am saying that they are not there to deal the HIGHEST PHYSICALL Damage

Yes, they are, and they do.

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Originally Posted by Tommy

that really depend, in AB we do need a tank to cap.AB is a form of pvp right?

Never needed a tank to cap a point in AB.

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Originally Posted by Sparckus

There are no tanks in pvp.

This is true.

Tommy, I would suggest you listen to the people posting here, they are posting good advice about how this game works. Just becuase the game itself doesn't meet your expectations of traditional RPG archtypes doesn't mean that you can cast that fact aside and play them as though they do. As was mentioned before, this is Guild Wars. Apllying things that you've learned from other games doesn't nessicarily work.

moriz · Sep 14, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

tanks are useless in guildwars pvp, because anyone with half a brain will just run around the tanks and hit something else.

Tommy · Sep 14, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by stueyman2099

Yes, they are, and they do.

that is why anet needs to nerf warrior to make sure that they dont do the highest damage anymore. Assin should be the new physical damage dealer,
again, WE probably have 15+ professions, we need to speicalize each of them, so they have a clear role in a party. what if they can't move? or they have to kill the warrior first? i think that we need more def stance in nightfall for warrior such as a stance that bond the monk with the warrior, so you have to kill the war first. W/E do a pretty good job stopping ppl from trying to get close to the soft targets, lets say i keep kd you down and make you cripple+interrupt you, i use shout that you can't move faster or you will be kd if you try to move. I think that they should rush in, tanking damage, reflect annoying conditions like deep wound,crippe,dazed to waste enemy's monk's energy and exhaust them, use shout so nobody move faster. Look at the new skills added in faction, most of them serve these purpose. What shoudl assins do if Mr.Warrior Big stick doing all the physical damge and got around 20 more higher armor than them?

~Vanilla~ · Sep 14, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Guild Wars isn't a MMORPG, it's a CMORPG..or something like that.

Linkusmax · Sep 14, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

You dont need a tank to cap

I can cap anything with a cripshot ranger.

You only need heal sig and watch yourself to tank most things in AB

Sekkira · Sep 14, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Why? To make warriors useless? Excuse me sir, but you are an idiot.

Why the hell would you attack a warrior who's doing shit all damage and the highest AL + HP? So you can drag out the match and the monks can heal them more easily?

Akhilleus · Sep 14, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by moriz

*cough* you're nuts *cough*

you'll notice i was asking for opinions, not stating my own, which i may do later.

Mr Urthadar · Sep 14, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Tommy

what i am saying that they are not there to deal the HIGHEST PHYSICALL Damage,it should be assin's Job not the warriors,

Warriors are there to deal the highest physical damage. An Eviscerate + Exec Strike does ~300 damage... Plus their higher AL makes them able to dish and stand punishment (stand not meaning tank).

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Originally Posted by Tommy

We will probably have 15+ professions if Anet keep making expansion every 6 months. If one class has all the advantage in one area, WHO IS GONNA PLAY THE OTHERS?

It's called balance Tommy. Sure the shock-axe warrior can deliver the pain, but a well timed blinding flash totally screws his spike over. Not to mention all the hexes that can screw over the warrior (blurred vision, water snares, whatever.

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Originally Posted by Tommy

For example, Warrior has the highest armor vs physicall damage and fairly high armor vs elemental damage, and they deal the HIGHEST PHYSICAL damage? i dont see how is that BALANCE, each class needs to have a role in the party. YOU DONT SEE THE CASHIER IN BURGER KING making your burger right?

Watch GvG in observer mode... Watch how the warriors converge on a target to spike it. Also watch how teams react to this.

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Originally Posted by Tommy

I think what Anet trying to do is to specialize each class, lets say, Warrior Tanks, Elementalist deals damage, Monk heals, Ritualist supports,each party member specializes in ONLY ONE AREA, we dont have a profession that good at everything anymore.

Warriors do deliver damage. It is exactly what they are supposed to do. Elementalists tend to be used as utility characters - snares, heal party spams, bl-flashes.

I suggest you watch more matches in observer mode. From what you've posted you seem to lack even a minimal understanding of GvG mechanics (sorry, not trying to be insulting - just truthful).

ju

Tommy · Sep 14, 2006, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

Why? To make warriors useless? Excuse me sir, but you are an idiot.

Why the hell would you attack a warrior who's doing shit all damage and the highest AL + HP? So you can drag out the match and the monks can heal them more easily?

that is why anet make the new profession with spear in nightfall<w/e his name is> a warrior shoudln't be THE HIGHEST PYHSICAL damage dealer... THEY DOTN the HIGHEST PHYSICAL deal damge dont make them useless in pvp. they are still needed in pvp but just play a different role. LOOK AT THE NEW SKILLS added in faction, they clearly telling you that Anet wants the warrior to be something else than PHYSICALLY DAMAGE dealer, so a party can have a place for assin. well

clearly anet's techniqe to make you buy faction

JR · Sep 14, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

This thread is so full of absolute trash it depresses me.

Locked.